Thursday, November 22, 2018

response to a question about how body and soul are connected

A writer on a neuro discussion list with a heavy emphasis on physics asked: 
You also talk about the importance of the soul but I am not sure exactly
how you model the connection between consciousness and the material body -
Is it in one of your articles?
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Thanks .. for asking a very good question.

First, I do not believe that any of us justified in proclaiming
certainty, in giving 100% commitment to any one model of this
connection. I explain that preliminary aspect in more detail in:
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P.Werbos (2018), Quantum Measurement, Consciousness and the Soul: A
New, Alternative Position, submitted by invitation to S. Klein and C.
Cochran, eds, Festschrift for Henry Stapp. Draft preprint at
http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.20636.39043
Accepted for publication in Activitas Nervosa Superior, in special issue
Festschrift for Heny Stapp.

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Second, it does depend on what we assume about the ultimate laws of
physics. My personal subjective view is that there is about 1/3
probability that we do ultimately live in some kind of Fock space, as
mainstream quantum physics basically assumes. But about 1/3
probability also that Einstein and deBroglie were right in claiming we
can explain those complex things as a kind of emergent statistical
outcome of "classical field theory," of dynamics over curved Minkowski
space (possibly adding just a few more dimensions, though I see no use
for that extension right now). I also assume about 1/3 probability
that "weirdism" (like what Deepak talks about in terms too vague for
me to use much) will ultimately prove to be true. Unlike Jack, I am
unable to have a strong conviction that all three are true at the same
time, though I also understand how a model which is not ultimately
true might have some practical use in describing life in a cosmos
governed by another.

Based on personal experience and observing others, I rarely pay
serious attention (<1 and="" idea="" probability="" psychic="" soul="" span="" that="" the="" to="">
experience do not exist.

And so: **IF** everything which exists is governed by hard core laws
of physics (as in Fock OR Einstein theories), HOW COULD SOUL AND
PSYCHIC PHENOMENA EXIST?

In that case, I really can think of only one explanation, included in
the slides I delivered two weeks ago, attached, the keynote talk which
introduced the conference http://la-cci.org/(which paid for the trip).
It is what I now call the noosphere species theory. I also discussed
it in two papers which are citeable but not widely indexed:
http://www.werbos.com/Mind_in_Time.pdf (published in Russia)
and
P. Werbos, 2017, Unification of Objective Realism and Spiritual
Development, http://scsiscs.org/conference/index.php/scienceandscientist/2017/paper/view/166/53
If you go to https://drpauljohn.blogspot.com/ and search on
"noosphere," you will see many many posts giving more details of the
noosphere species theory and how it works out.

The key idea is that we humans (those of us who are not spiritual
zombies) are a SYMBIOTIC life form, similar to Dante's phrase "half
beast half angel." Both alive, and both conscious to a certain level.
The "angel" part is a true life form, composed of dark matter and dark
energy. Further, the main "angel" part is not really a personal soul,
but a "noosphere", a connected biological entity spanning the entire
earth or even the entire solar system, the product of more or less
Darwinian evolution across the vast ocean of dark energy and dark
matter. Jack might logically complain that I do not explain the
physical details of how an image across the earth actually propagates,
meter by meter, from its source to a remote viewer; a totally complete
understanding would do that, but Jack does not do that either. For
now, it is already an advance to understand a bit more clearly what
goes on at the noosphere brain level, as the neural networks of the
noosphere operate in a way which is more intelligible after one
understands neural networks (which Jack doesn't).

All humans are conscious to some degree (with a small population of exceptions
in comas and such), but the nature and degree of connection to
personal soul (a local lobe or cell of noosphere) and to noosphere in
general varies a lot, as we can see if we open our eyes. Just as the
level of mundane sanity varies a lot across humans, the quality and
intensity of connection to soul also varies. In my view, "second
order" sanity is basically what the Rosicrucians call "Alchemical
marriage", an effective Pareto optimal symbiosis.
The effective physical principle of interaction underlying this is NOT
any kind of collapse of wave functions or gravitic effect or even
pilot wave; rather, it is evolved biological capability of noospheres
to exploit the interaction of dark matter and ordinary matter in order
to establish an input/output channel with our bodies, most notably
with neurons.

It may sounds strange at first, but it works. None of the others do.
It also fits a whole lot better with millennia of experience, and
sheds light on it in ways that fuzzy noncausal explanations do not.

Enough for now. Again, thanks for asking. Best regards,

    Paul

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Of course, if the Copenhagen model of measurement is truly,
objectively and decisively vindicated, that really proves "weirdism"
to an incredible degree. I have thought recently about what they
really would imply...

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It is not a complete mathematical theory like MQED. Actually, QFT
itself is not complete, insofar as it gives us a choice of possible
Hamiltonians. In the same way, the noosphere species theory allows for
many variations. I suppose I give 70% probability or so to the idea
that the noosphere species theory does explain the "soul" and the
GENERAL details of interface between soul and brain/body.

The noosphere species theory does not give us the Hamiltonian of the
cosmos, as Jack claims he does. I agree with Jack that this makes it
incomplete as a theory of physics. But it is not a theory of physics.
It ASSUMES the existence of cdark matter and dark energy


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