My reply to a physicist warning us not to attack Trump

JACK WROTE:

PS be careful what you wish for re: Trump.
If the traitors here in US succeed in their Coup d’ Etat there will be a Civil War in America leading to WWIII and a nuclear holocaust.
None of us will survive. The Trump haters here are literally insane literally foaming at the mouth with no critical judgement - yes very much like unconscious Zombies.

==============

I do agree with Jack that our lives are at stake here and now, everyone on this list. 

I do live near DC and have lots of primary source information. Therefore I will will do the best I can to rise to the challenge of responding intelligently to his post.

===============================================

Once again, though I disagree with Jack's beliefs, I am deeply impressed by his authentic psychic intuition and by his courage in

trying to start a dialogue. In a way, he is right to compare himself to Donald Trump, and his empathy for Trump is a very worthy thing.

However, as with Trump himself, there are certain issues about situational awareness being biased by personal ego interactions

(like what Heidegger would call small Being space), and lack of the intense disciplines called for either by the spirit or truth or the spirit of love. 

(For amusement... my wife, who is a Real Russian with Romanoff genes, asks why I hang out so much with that guy Yeshua "who is such a hippie, talking about peace and love all the time, even though he does know a lot about brains." It is interesting to hear what THEIR sources think about Trump.) 

Einstein himself was somewhat autistic, an extreme right-brainer, who as a child did great with images but poorly with human relations. We do need to appreciate what people of that sort, including Jack and Trump, can contribute to society, if we find a way to benefit and empower them without letting them destroy the whole show. Einstein DID have a strong devotion to truth, and if Trump had had more of that, we might not be in the truly awful situation we are in today.

Jack -- I am not a Trump hater, though I admit I voted for Hillary Clinton, lethargically, without any real psychic energy or activism in the act. (Comment: I was lethargic about it mainly because I feared that "the swamp," already growing much worse, had plans to get rid of her quickly, as they did to Rousseff in Brazil.) Yeshua keeps saying we should discipline ourselves not to allow hatred of any people to take root in our mind, and we had a major discussion about Trump and current trends in Langley Quaker meeting this week. Many of us have sincerely hoped that the best hopes of positive outcomes of a Trump Presidency could emerge, and tried to help in whatever little ways we could to help that part, even to the point of offending equally ideological people on the left or in the swamp who have also disappointed us to some degree. 

Many of us have even achieved a certain degree of empathy for trump and what he is trying to cope with.

In previous months and years, I was well aware of forces more malign than Trump (which I do think of as traitors -- or, more accurately, people who have sold out to enemies of the Republic who liked the cash and decided not to ask too many questions, or people blinded by their own small Being ego issues loosely linked to their corporate bases). As early as 2003, I received reports showing that the same folks who used improper means to trick us into a war with Iraq were pushing very hard for a war between US and Israel versus Russia and Iran, in the expectation that someone else would be able to pick up the pieces. The 911 commission report and the investigations by Crown Prince Mohammed of Saudi Arabia, among others, have filled in some of the picture. When Donald Trump told the media they were creating hysteria at risk of causing world war, the media treated his comments in a proud juvenile way which made me sick. 

But no, Hillary Clinton is not the secret emir of Qatar. That idea reminds me of Jack's claim that Sutherland's math solves the hard problem of consciousness. It displays a style of thinking which can only by understood with the help of neurospychology beyond the scope of our discussions so far, and hard to get straight by email in any case. 

Was Trump really fighting off pressure by new war mongers eager to start a new world war? Well, on CSPAN, I saw Mike Rogers (then head of CyberCommand, expansion of his earlier duties as head of NSA) urge Senators to give him authority to launch an offensive cyberattack to shut down all electricity in a major city of Russia, just to show them who's boss and to show how upset we are with them. Hillary Clinton was not exactly diplomatic at times, but cyberwar? Cyberwar today is every bit as serious as the other kinds, and I could say a lot more if people were interested. Trump forcibly resisted all that,... until last week, when he gave a kind of blanket authorization to DOD folks to launch cyberattacks at will, without any review by State or by the White House. 

See https://www.facebook.com/paul.werbos/posts/2027682670595473

Trump had a really hard week last week. So did I, by the way, not in personal life, but that's another matter.

Early in Quaker meeting last week, a mathematics professor at GMU said: "I remember the time when everything was going so bad and so dark, and it seemed the enemy was totally winning on all sides. So I decided just to stop fighting and turn it over to God/light, and everything was fine." But last week, in my view, Trump just turned over his last remaining serious reins to the swamp. It was a decisive moral decision on his part. 

Now he hints that he will do his best to cause an authentic civil war if he is impeached. If it has come that far, and if he is that committed to the dark side, then it is better and safer to get it over with when there is still some hope of saving the Republic.

Best of luck. We all need it.

=====================================================
=======================================================

The physicists's reply:

This is more dangerous than the 13 Days in May 1963 Cuba. 
All of our lives are in danger in the next few months you should be very concerned.
America is now a Banana Republic because of the sedition of the Obama/Clinton/Mueller/Comey/Brennan/Clapper/Hayden/Rosenstein … Cabal.
Trump realizes this and he will not give up without a fight using the full power of the presidency and loyal forces in the US Military and Intelligence Community. The situation here is somewhat like Erdogan’s in Turkey when they tried to remove him. Trump has 63 million adult supporters most of which are armed and will go to war if Trump is forcibly removed with these phony charges.

My reply back to him:

We certainly should be concerned about the sad fact that Jack's comments are echoes of what is being beamed to millions of people, via social media systems targeted to those they think are most receptive. And Trump's recent decision to cut off security clearances to many leaders of the intelligence community reinforce reason to be concerned about what they are planning.

Yet what Jack says about Comey being compromised are true. it is sad that he or Trump could imagine that the guy who cut off Hilary's previously likely election, and did many other things of the same ilk, represents her in any way. But yes, there is a lot of choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea (or Scylla and Charybdis) here. My impression is that Trump is simply too dumb and too emotional to put two and two together, and realize that he is being used,

and setting up the kind of coup in which he would be the first guy killed. 

Letting it fester more would only make it worse.

========================================================

Related somewhat is the hysteria abour Russia. trump HAS played a decent role trying to get people to be a bit less irratoinal and hysterical.
Russian hackers certainly have done bad tings to our elections, but between computers and money, right now money ismore potent. Much more of the corruprion of US elections and democracy and integrity is due to money networks. That's how the swamp (aka gestapo) works. It is pathetic how successfulk it has been in teh distraction maneuver, using hysteria about one problem (however legitimate)  to distract from the bigger one. But cefrtainly trump himself has been distracted and used, to the point of what seems nonsustainable.

=====================

A friend asked: what could Trump do, short of resigning, to tame the swamp? A partial answer: instead of asking
Justice to investigate Clintons more (transparent dumb idea), ask the Mueller investigation to be expanded to follow the
money from Qatar, Turkey and other sources named in the 911 commission report. Friend says: but a lot of Congress
loves those folks. Yes, the worst of the swamp goes VIA Congressional offices to suborn US agencies,
violating long established rules of many kinds. And that's where the worst danger of coup type stuff comes from.